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Levittown's 2012-13 Outlook: Budget Down, but Expenses Still Up

The 4 percent decrease in budget is a measure to try to curb expenses. But the district still expects them to go up for numerous reasons.

Last Wednesday, the Levittown School District revealed a budget for 2012-13 that called for a 4 percent decrease from the district’s 2011-12 budget. That doesn’t mean the district will be free of constraints from that tax cap, though.

In October, board vice president Peter Porrazzo warned residents that most of that two percent revenue would be used towards pension and healthcare increases. The 4 percent decrease in budget helps combat this somewhat. But there is still a gap between how much money the district can raise and how much money is budgeted.

“It’s the budgeted amount that’s going down, not the actual expenditure,” said Superintendent of Schools Dr. James Grossane. “There’s an increase in health costs, there’s an increase in retirement contributions. Cost of living is 3 percent, so everything we purchase is going up anywhere from 3 percent to 10 percent. That’s why the actual costs to keep this budget [and] to keep these services has actually gone up.”

Due to certain exemptions, mostly from capital expenditures, the district can actually raise the tax levy by 2.54 percent for 2012-13. Still, the amount of revenue they can raise is capped at $128,188,161. If you combine that with approximately $46 million in State aid, it leaves the district approximately $15 million short of its proposed budget.

Some of that will be made up in rent payments from BOCES, from fund balance and from other areas, although the district hopes to avoid using reserve funds this year. But the district may still need to trim, and those discussions will come up at next Wednesday’s board session.

Another crucial aspect of the tax cap bill is that a district can go over the allotted tax levy if they choose. To do so, however, they will need to pass a budget with 60 percent of the vote. Levittown has no plans to do that. In fact, they may not even use the extra cushion that exemptions provide them.

“What does everyone think their taxes are going up next year? 2 percent,” Grossane said. “That’s all you’ve ever heard is 2 percent. What we have to determine in looking at that is, instead of going for 2-and-a-half, we go out for the 2 like everyone’s expecting, where does that put us financially?”

The 2 percent tax cap will put many districts in a race against time, as they use whatever fund balances and reserve funds they have to cover whatever costs they need. If there is good news for Levittown, though, it’s that they made tough decisions last year, cutting a significant number of teaching jobs without a significant jump in class sizes. While they may still run out of fund balance and reserve funds, it will likely take three or four years. Some districts upstate are up against that wall this year.

“If they didn’t make those cuts last year, we would be making those cuts this year,” Grossane said. “While it was unpopular at the time, I think in the long run it showed everybody that this is the right amount of staff to be functioning with as we move forward.”

Mac February 28, 2012 at 06:47 pm
Escape LI why are you still here? FYI- the teacher's pension is a separate one from the one cited in that article. It is also self sustaining as of now and in the near future. BUT, it still needs to be addressed.
john February 29, 2012 at 11:36 am
My brother lives in buffalo. His house is twice my size. His property taxes are 4000 a year. His school taxes are 1900. Run for your life. SELL AND RUN! GET OUT OF LONG ISLAND WHILE YOU STILL CAN.
Escape LI February 29, 2012 at 03:42 pm
John you are so right! If you think things are bad now, just wait five years. The whole system is unsustainable and when it finally collapses it will be like Wall Street in 2008.
Larry Reilly March 1, 2012 at 05:16 pm
Mac....you really drink the teachers cool aid, don't you? I find it very telling that you can't help yourself from defending comments directed at teachers unions and greed. The teachers can give up step increases if they want to, it's well within their ability to negotiate with the state unions and districts to "help the children"....I just love that slogan....It's for the kids.....Your hurting the kids.......Nope your hurting the pockets of the greedy teachers unions......flat out. Plenty of teachers like me agree but can't say a word because we'll be run out of town. I'd give up my steps and raises until the economy turns around in a second. You do this when you care about the children you teach and community you serve.
Mac March 1, 2012 at 05:47 pm
Larry that is very noble of you. If you are so noble why dont you stand up and tell your peers?Yes teachers can negotiate to freeze their step increases but please answer the question Why are teachers greedy if they want the district to honor an existing contract? I dont see the greed. I do see the need for all parties involved including teachers, BOE, admin and the state to come up with a better plan. Larry how long do you freeze your salary? What indicator do you use to determine the economy "turning around"? Are the unions especially leadership out of hand/ YES right here in Levittown the union president appears to be incredibly arrogant and I witnessed it at a board meeting last year. Who created the current system? Was it the union? Who agrees to the contract? Does the union just demand or does the board agree and also have a set of their demands. Nobody has answered how the teachers are greedy? Larry you are a greedy teacher so tell me how are you greedy? You cash your check each week, plan with the money you get paid, did you max out on credits yet, do you work extra hours, do you call parents after school hours does this make you greedy? Once again I state very clearly the contract has a value that needs to be honored or renegotiated to benefit all parties. if you freeze salaries where and when does it end. What district do you teach? How about you take up the challenge and stand up for what you believe in with your peers instead of me who by the way defends YOU.
Die Hard March 1, 2012 at 06:32 pm
Mac - your point is obvious, there is a contract we can't get out of. But you fail to note that the teachers union regularly works to vote sympathetic (or simply pathetic) board member who will agree to their contractual modifications at negotiation time. How does the taxpayer fight this? Go get a degree, apply for a teacher position, wait years to be a building rep, wait more to be the union head and fight from within? Its an illogical imbalance.
I can't find one person that can show what the district/student or taxpayer received in the last 2 contracts, but I have a list of items the teachers recieved.
Mac March 1, 2012 at 07:22 pm
I ask who is at fault for the Board member? Did you vote for him? How many candidates were there? Once again somebody has to agree and more than one BOE member needs to be swayed. If the district didnt get anything in the last two contracts shame on them. Then there is a further problem of the ineffectiveness of the elected BOE. Can you give the link of what the teachers recieived here I would like to see it. Or better yet is there a way to get a copy of the contract? I fnd it hard to believe the district didnt get any of their demands or wants. What is being doen now to actively oursue a fair new contract instead of working under the old one. I do not believe the teachers are SOLELY to blame. With that said I was there to hear the union president speak last year and she is an embarrassment to teachers and unions. She proves most anti-teacher sentiments correctly.
Die Hard March 1, 2012 at 08:15 pm
I cannot give a link becuase it is done by my own reading and comparison of the last few contracts. If you ask the district you can get copies of them.
Mac March 1, 2012 at 09:16 pm
That is very convenient. Can I ask how many contracts and years you went back to compare? AND in those contracts the district gained nothing? the teachers made out by simply demanding what they wanted and were awarded these contracts with nothing in return to the district? I firmly believe that we as a public let this go on too long when the economy was good, the district did indeed award excellent contracts to the teachers, the state well went above and beyond but the teachers did work in while taking advantage of the system set forth by all parties. this system needs to be changed. I think we all agree on this and it needs to start NOW.
Die Hard March 2, 2012 at 01:42 am
I went back 4 contracts. If you were around as long as I, you would have these available. You sound like a non believer, not in what I say but that I did the work. I find that offensive. I owe you nothing. I am stating a fact. And no mr the teachers didn't simply demand what they wanted. They asked for it nicely and it was handed to them by the Board members they supported and put in place. Only in the last few years has this town woken up to what is before them. As you say, we let it happen. As you say we have to live with the contract that was agreed. I don't agree with the statement that both sides agreed to it, becuase there was really only one side talking to themselves (the board they elected)
Mac March 2, 2012 at 01:59 am
I have been around as long as you have and I dont have these available. I like many didnt ask any questions when times were good and that makes this partly my fault as well. I simply asked you for facts that you looked up. You made some accusations I asked you to support them. I dont know whatthe teachers received but you did the work and made the claim so I asked. I ask again not claiming you didnt do the work and didnt mean to insult you but because you claim fact and I dont know the facts you are claiming. Please tell us what the teachers recieved and back up your statement. Regardless if you did the work or not you made the claim with not so much as a single fact to back it up. What stops another from taking the opposite claiming facts and stating none. Also how did the teachers put anyone on the board? I dont recall the teachers voting but the residents. So the levittown residents have nobody to blame but themselves do they? If the BOE gave the teachers everything they wanted shame on them and shame on us for voting them in. The bottom line is we vote them in NOT the teachers. Die Hard I am interested in the knowledge you gained because it can offer insight. If you have the facts please share them. Honestly, you stated no facts at all but simply your comparison.
Die Hard March 2, 2012 at 02:50 am
Mac - I doubt you are 74, going on 75 so you haven't been around as long as I. Had you not been so belittling in your "very convenient" statement, I might have shared it. Now if you want it, go do the damn work yourself if you are so smart. If you are so up on things you can go do the leg work yourself. Smartypants, you clearly know the teachers got to teach less with the 9 period day without giving anything back, the increases to the supplemental benefit fund, increased guidance stipends for doing there job. What did I the taxpayer get the teacher can't take leave to run for public office and they no longer can be a pece corp exchange teacher. What a help to my taxes those were.
Mac March 2, 2012 at 04:01 am
You are correct not quite in your age group but not so far behind. Smarty pants clearly I know the district went to nine periods which was within their rights but the teachers in the middle and high schools were contractually bound to teach a certain amount of periods. There was no stipulation for teaching an extra period for free. So that had nothing to do with the teachers but a district decision to change the work day. Why would anyone want to work more for the same pay? In the upcoming cotract teachers should be required to work directly with students for a certain time period I say convenient again because my comment allows for you to take the easy way out with unsubstantiated claims which you call fact. If you have the information it would only help enlighten the situation. Did the increase in guidance stipend come with additional work? I ask again did the district just roll over to all the demands without getting a single item back? These contracts are negotiated and mutually agreed on regardless of who is on the boe. Shame on them and shame on us for being blind all these years. I personally feel that teachers along with all public employees are now the scapegoat for the economic woes. A very easy scapegoat at that. Diehard I was not trying to offend at all sorry if you took it that way.
john March 2, 2012 at 10:34 am
SO IN 4 OR 5 YEARS OUR HOMES WILL BE TAXED AT 14,000 OR 15,000 DOLLARS.
NOBODY WILL BY YOUR HOUSE AND PAY THAT AMOUNT OF TAX. NOBODY! TIME TO LEAVE NOW BEFORE IT'S TO LATE!
Die Hard March 2, 2012 at 02:02 pm
Mac - There was no addition work requirement in the contract for guidance. to counter your argument on 9 period, why should i pay a person the same amount to work less . they already were working and being paid for that time. they went to 9 periods added 10-15% more teachers, they each had to work less minutes per day and the taxpayer did not get money back. You say why should they work work more without getting paid. They are working less and paid the same. Teachers say they work late into the night grading and reading we added time so they didn't have to take personal time and we didn't get compensated. I know they want more money to work an extra period, their salary should have been adjusted when their workload got shorter or made to do a duty day for this time. They gladly excepted the reduction in workload that the board they help elect gave them.
Larry Reilly March 2, 2012 at 03:12 pm
Die Hard...you are wasting your time with Mac. He is a blind ideologue who apparently knows more than all of us here combined. He probably rents and doesn't own any property. If he owned property he would not be so sympathetic to the rising cost in education as seen in our taxes. Mac, please tell me what benefit the tax payers of Levittown have received from skyrocketing school taxes? What educational benefit have the kids received from this? Granted...things have gotten a bit better because of strong leadership from the BOE and school grades have improved but are we Woodbury, Jericho, or Syosset yet? If you looked at our tax bill you would think we lived there. Just go to Nassau property lookup and check out the taxes in those neighborhoods. Even Wantagh, Seaford, Massapequa. Some of those towns pay less in taxes than most of us and their school grades are far superior. Do I need to send you that link? You can make up any exuse you want Mac but you are blinded by your love for Unions, and when you finally pull your head out of your,,,out of the sand, it may be too late. All of the schools will be in trouble because of the unions and these rediculous contracts that are killing the homeowner. Eventually you will see a Nassau County unified school district much like the NYC BOE. At the next BOE meeting please identify yourself as Mac so we can put a face to this stupidity you skew.
Mac March 2, 2012 at 04:24 pm
Die Hard the teachers are still working the same day what they are not working is the same amount of contact hours of direct teaching. This is an honest question: Do the teachers get to leave after working 8 periods or are they there for 9? Is the ninth period considered free time and the teachers allowed to leave the building or sit in the lounge? Or do they have an additional duty or meeting time? Either way the district knew the parameters of the contract and shouldve discussed it before the change went into effect. I agree 100% their direct contact teaching time was shortened but I dont think their wordday was. The question is what are the required to do with that extra time? LARRY you think I am for the rising cost in taxes but I am not, not at all. I just dont think the teachers themselves are too blame. I firmly believe it is union leadership vs the district which equals rhetoric and bad news for the taxpayer. I believe that in general most teachers share your belief and if asked they would give in. I also think that most teachers like you are sheep and are being lead to the slaughter of public opinion. You yourself said you will not stand up against your peers "Plenty of teachers like me agree but can't say a word because we'll be run out of town" your own words. Only the members of the union truly have the power to fight it. I agree that change needs to be made. Larry please answer this: Did you max out on credits or take extra classes to improve your salary?
Escape LI March 2, 2012 at 04:43 pm
In another thread Robert said: “I have family in NC, and an elementary school teacher in their district earns about $48K per year. My niece and nephew went through the system there, and went on to UNC Chapel Hill. The education they received in Hickory, NC was at least as good, if not better, than that received by my kids on LI. Their property taxes are $2k for a very nice house. The taxes are lower because the cost of public services is reasonable, and those services are high quality.”
Mac March 2, 2012 at 04:57 pm
Escape why are you still here? Interestingly enough I have family down in NC who have 3 children going through the school system. One was a special needs student and he had to go to a private school because the district couldnt offer him the services he needed. He subsequently is sending all three children to private school. Even down there all the districts are different. Would our children be better in a school district like Jericho or Syosset? teh quality of education is going to differ from district to distrct regardess of where you live. BUT, he lives in a giant house that would probably go for a million here on the island with taxes at 20k and he paid less then a home here in Levittown for it with low taxes.
Escape LI March 2, 2012 at 05:07 pm
Mac, why do you keep asking why I am still here? Why don’t you tell us about yourself?
You are a teacher I understand. Where do you teach and how much do you make for your 180 days a year; $80K, $100K, over $100K? Just so we know where you are coming from.
Mac March 2, 2012 at 06:32 pm
Escape I ask you why you stay because you have nothing but negative to say about being here combined with your screen name. To your dismay I am not a teacher but have two children who went thought the schools here, went to college and one did escape li. I am guilty of not taking enough interest in past generous negotiated contracts when I was making more money. I don't think the individual teachers are to blame. The vast majority I would think are like Larry who do not agree with their leadership but would get beaten down if they spoke up. The leadership in most unions consist of militant bullies who will die union people. The public union employee are just east targets today. The system needs to change. Teachers and police arenot the enemy.
Escape LI March 2, 2012 at 07:16 pm
Mac, I’ll take your word that you are not a teacher, but you talk like one (or the husband or relative of one).
Let’s see now, according to you the majority of teachers don’t want to make $100K for a 180 day year, but the union bullies make them take the money. And they don’t really want the pensions and benefits either, again it’s the bullies. So I guess that if only you had taken “enough interest in past generous negotiated contracts” then things would have been different and the bullies would have been dispatched into exile. Then we could have all lived in harmony since greed never played a role here, only union bullies. I would be interested to know if anyone else here is buying this story.
Mac March 2, 2012 at 10:44 pm
Escape can you please copy and paste where I said any of that?The majority of teachers would take a freeze if it meant saving jobs and keeping quality education. Not once did I mention anything about pay or benefits. But yes I would imagine every teacher, policeman, contractor, lawyer, business owner banker etc.... would like to make over 100k, have benfits and a pension. Would you want that? Union leadership bully their members into following along not accepting change or what leadership doesnt want.. If I was a teacher I would do everything I could to make the most money I could within the system. I did that throughout my working career. Teacher knew what they were getting into when they choose their profession and reap the benefits. You sound like a very jealous petty man. twist my words to your liking because it makes you sound like a fool. I believe Larry when he makes his statements and regardless of our disagreement I respect his chosen profession. Escape I will ask you the same question I asked Larry: What makes these teachers greedy? because if it is making the most money they can they fit it right with the rest of America. Please find me the person who doesnt want to make the most they can. Not only should I have taken more notice of what was going on for years with these contracts we all shouldve then perhaps we wouldnt be in this position I am under no illusion that I alone couldve changed anything.Nobody buys your story or your slanted view of what people write.
Escape LI March 2, 2012 at 11:54 pm
I will try to simplify it Mac so that even someone who is not a “very jealous petty man” can comprehend it.
Teachers are not supposed to be part of the capitalist free market system; they are in a protected class. They are public servants who work for a public monopoly and are paid by the taxpayers. Unlike those who have to compete daily for their jobs and positions, teachers get tenure and are protected and they never get fired for incompetence. They like to remind us again and again that they do it for the children, not for the money like those capitalists in the business world. That is why they deserve the pensions and benefits that businessmen don’t get. But wait a minute, in addition to that angel on their right shoulder, apparently there is also a little devil on the left shoulder whispering in their ears “make the most money you can.” So we would expect that from businessmen who have to compete every day, and don’t care about the children the way teachers do, and don’t expect guaranteed public pensions and lifetime healthcare. But we bought the whole propaganda line from the teachers and their union that says they’re different. So when they use their leverage in “making the most money they can” they are betraying their own excuse for their protected status as public professionals. Many did take “notice of what was going on for years” but were unable to stop it given the power of the teacher union. You can’t even stop it now.
Escape LI March 2, 2012 at 11:54 pm
So for anyone like yourself who just can’t seem to get it, we’ll do it by the numbers.
1) Teachers don’t compete like the private sector, 2) Teachers have tenure and can’t be fired, 3) Teachers don’t get paid for performance, 4) Teachers get generous taxpayer funded pensions and lifetime benefits, 5) Teachers don’t act in the best interest of the children; they threaten the children at contract time, 6) Teachers work half the hours of others and only have to deal with children, not adult clients, 7) Teachers have a heavy influence on school board elections and get what they want’ 8)Then teachers go on Patch and appeal for sympathy.
Mac March 3, 2012 at 12:56 am
Escape you are truly ignorant. If we're up to you teachers would be paupers. 1- teaching positions are highly competitive 2- teachers can be fired 3- teachers don't get paid for performance correct which is why they negotiate raises and the state passed laws to protect them 4-true and partbofbwhat draws notbjustvteachers but any public employee 5- I can't even respond to this blanket ignorant moronic statement that insults every teacher 6 - half the hours of whom? I guess parents and administrators are children 7- any board member is voted in by the public if we are gullible enough to put in only their people not the ons we think will be best that is our fault 8- please post your link of he teachers.
You are an ignorant, insulting petty jealous man. You are not worth anymore time. Keep ranting against teachers and everything long island.
Escape LI March 3, 2012 at 04:03 am
Mac you are obviously one of those very opinionated people who can only hurl insults when confronted with facts you don’t like.
To you points, teachers don’t compete; they may need some cronyism connection to get the job, but once they secure their tenure, they are set. How many teachers have been fired for non-performance? And we both know that there are really no performance standards after tenure is granted, otherwise why would they need tenure; other jobs don’t get tenure? Oh, and the one you can’t (won’t) respond to, teachers hold the children hostage when they threaten to strike if they don’t get what they want. How do you think LI got into this mess. As far as the hours its simple, a regular job is about 2000 hours (40 X 50 weeks although most work more) and the teacher’s contract calls for a maximum of 180 days minus 12 sick days (which they can accumulate) minus 5 personal days = 163 days X 6 hours = 978 hours per year. And please don’t try that rubbish about all the outside hours. We know the teacher unions run and support their own candidates for BoE (something that should be illegal) and heavily influence the elections through campaign contributions. You can call me “an ignorant, insulting petty jealous man” all you want but you have proven yourself to be nothing but a shill for the teacher unions.
Escape LI March 3, 2012 at 04:09 am
And while we are at it Mac, how about Long Island's $3-billion pension tab.
Long Island's governments, school districts and public agencies will be billed more than $3 billion to finance the pensions of public workers in the next two years, according to a Newsday analysis. http://longisland.newsday.com/templates/simpleDB/?pid=374&brand=newsday&fieldSelect-Retirement_system=Teachers&q=
Larry Reilly March 5, 2012 at 09:41 pm
Escape......I agree with your assertions 1000%. Mac please pay attention here. I'm a teacher, not very young and in my second career. (This will probably give me away but who cares at this point!) In my first crack at life after completeing college with a Masters in Business administration I worked in the free market and was very successful at what I did. I was able to pay off my mortgage and save a decent 401K plan. When I became a teacher I was disgusted and horrified by the bully tactics that the unions use to hold leverage over their members. I had never been part of any union. Didn't need to! If you worked hard you had nothing to worry about. It is a very morally corrupt profession because most people I deal with on a daily basis care more about their paychecks than they do the education of their students. Somewhere, somehow they never got the message that teaching is truly about educating children to prepare them for the world that awaits them. The unions are not interested in educating children, just politics. I love my job, my work hours, my free time, my summers off, snow days, holidays off. You can't beat it. I tell everyone I know, Teaching is really a part time job. When you add up all of our days off, holidays and free periods it comes to about half of what the rest of the country puts in at work during a years time. So Mac, YES..teachers are greedy when they ask for more when everyone else is hurting. About my education. 200+ Credits and yes maxing out.
Mac March 5, 2012 at 09:54 pm
Larry I appreciate your honesty. We agree about the unions but not about the individual teachers. What are the teachers asking for? What is the union asking for? Being in a union in the past it often wasn't the same wants. Not be sarcastic but wouldn't maxing out on credits with your highest salary , benefits and time off not make you greedy? Just so you know I don't think so. I firmly believe the system is broken.

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